Me and my friends want to do a holiday together next summer holidays, and were thinking of going camping in australia. Not the crappy camping in campsites with takeout food, but proper 'massive bagpacks and tents, hiking and sleeping in the wild' kind of camping. i know in the summer it would be winter there so how cold would it get? also is campig and hiking in the wild actualy allowed or is it dangerous and not recommended. Also if anyone esle has any good alternate places to go hiking/camping that are good, please do tell me. Thanks :)
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Camping in the wild is perfectly OK in Australia, but there are a few things you should know first.
Number one, some areas (such as national parks) require you to apply for a permit to camp there. See this website for more information, it also lists some other regulations (such as those relating to camp fires and wood gathering).
http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/parks_and_forests/activities_in_parks_and_forests/camping/index.html
Second, many area's around Australia are very dry and so fires are banned. Check whether a fire ban is in force in the area if your planning to be using open fires for cooking. You' also have to bring your own wood since collecting it in the bush is prohibited.
In regards to the cold, it varies depending on how far south and how far west you go. See this page and compare it to a map for a breakdown of the temperatures state by state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Australia
As for dangers, there are a few dangerous animals , mostly poisonous reptiles. You can avoid these by wearing thick leather shoes which they cant bite through if you should happen to stand on one. As long as you do that, keep and eye out and dont stick your hand were you cant see, you should be right.
Another main danger is crocodiles around waterways.Dont swim in water you cant see into and take extra care when collecting water. Since we dont have any large mammalian predators (such as bears or large wild cats) you dont have to worry about them, though packs of dingo's (wild dogs) have been known to raid campsites. Over all though, the biggest killers are wildfires, storms and intense heat.
Camping in the wild is perfectly OK in Australia, but there are a few things you should know first.
Number one, some areas (such as national parks) require you to apply for a permit to camp there. See this website for more information, it also lists some other regulations (such as those relating to camp fires and wood gathering).
http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/parks_and_forests/activities_in_parks_and_forests/camping/index.html
Second, many area's around Australia are very dry and so fires are banned. Check whether a fire ban is in force in the area if your planning to be using open fires for cooking. You' also have to bring your own wood since collecting it in the bush is prohibited.
In regards to the cold, it varies depending on how far south and how far west you go. See this page and compare it to a map for a breakdown of the temperatures state by state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Australia
As for dangers, there are a few dangerous animals , mostly poisonous reptiles. You can avoid these by wearing thick leather shoes which they cant bite through if you should happen to stand on one. As long as you do that, keep and eye out and dont stick your hand were you cant see, you should be right.
Another main danger is crocodiles around waterways.Dont swim in water you cant see into and take extra care when collecting water. Since we dont have any large mammalian predators (such as bears or large wild cats) you dont have to worry about them, though packs of dingo's (wild dogs) have been known to raid campsites. Over all though, the biggest killers are wildfires, storms and intense heat.
What are some tips for desert camping at the Grand Canyon?
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Ok, a friend and I are planning a trip to the Grand Canyon for early June. We are staying in a tent for a week or maybe a little more, probably at Mather Campground. What are some good camping tips for that area? What is the wildlife situation? We are on a tight budget so does anyone know fun, cheap things to do within hiking distance? (We wont have a car as we are arriving by train.) We can only take so much on the train so is food cheap at the local store? ANY info, especially from people who previously stayed at Mather would be greatly appreciated!!
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First off, if you are camping at Mather campground on the rim, than you will not really be camping in the desert. The South Rim is at an elevation of 7,000 feet (a half-mile higher than Denver Colorado) and so has very cold and snowy winters and mild summers. The area is covered with pine trees and high temperatures on the South Rim rarely top 90 degrees during the summer.
Mather Camground is a nice drive-up style developed campground with designated spots that each have a place to pull in your vehicle, a picnic table and fire pit. There is a bathhouse with showers and toilets. It is a large campground and spots are fairly close together, so you won't exactly feel like you are out in the solitude of the wilderness, but it is a nice area (lots of trees) and generally does not feel too crowded given its size. The South Rim is pretty developed (there is a whole little community there called 'Grand Canyon Village') and there is a free shuttle that runs in a loop and connects all the lodges, the visitor center, the shopping plaza and the campground and RV parks, so getting around the village area without a car is pretty easy.
Wildlife-wise... even though Grand Canyon Village on the South Rim is pretty developed, it is not uncommon for deer and elk and sometimes coyotes to wander about amoungst the buildings, but none of those generally cause trouble unless people deliberately try to approach them. Squirrels and chipmunks and ravens are also quite common. You don't need to worry about bears or mountain lions around the campground area, but you should not leave food out unattended as ravens, squirrels and chipmunks might take an interest in it.
There is a small shopping plaza area near Yavapai lodge that is a short walk from Mather campround (or you can ride the free shuttle) and it has a small grocery store. The prices are perhaps slightly higher than a grocery store in a big city, but it is definitely cheaper than eating at any of the South Rim restuarants (remember the South Rim is off the major supply lines and businesses have to provide employees with housing). If you do feel like a cooked meal while you are there, the cafeterias at Maswik Lodge and Yavapai Lodge are the cheapest.
As far as things to do... once you are in the park there are lots of things to do and most are free. Of course, hiking the big thing and you should try to do at least a short hike while you are there since being 'in' the canyon is a much different and deeper experience than just looking from the rim. My favorite short-n-easy day hike, is going the 1.4 miles down the South Kaibab trail to Cedar Ridge rest stop which has stunning views and a good chance to see condors and perhaps big horn sheep. Bright Angel and Hermit trails are also good for day hikes. Remember to wear comfortable shoes and a broad-brim hat, carry plenty of water and remember it is twice as much effort coming back up as it is going down. You should be careful how far down you go for a day hike - especially in summer - because temperatures get much warmer as you deeper into the canyon and at the bottom temps can easily break 110 degrees in summer (don't ever try to go to the bottom and back in a day).
Other fun and cheap activities include taking the free shuttle out to Hermit Rest and back (you can get on and off at various stops and overlooks along the way), listening to the ranger talks (which are usually pretty good) that are held along the rim and at the Shrine of Ages (near Yavapai Lodge), vegging out along the rim (especially at sunrise and sunset when the canyon looks most dramatic) and checking out the many historic buildings like the famous 1905 grand El Tovar lodge, the 1905 Hopi House curio shop (made to look like an indian pueblo) and the Lookout Studio (which often has free art exhibits). There is also a nice little geology museum and overlook at Yavapai Point (which can be reached via either the rim trail or by the free shuttle).
Lastly, keep in mind that Memorial Day through Labor Day is peak tourist season at the canyon and it can get crowded. You can make reservations for Mather campground (see link below) and it is highly recommended that you do so long before you leave as the odds of just showing up and finding an open spot in June are small.
Have fun!
First off, if you are camping at Mather campground on the rim, than you will not really be camping in the desert. The South Rim is at an elevation of 7,000 feet (a half-mile higher than Denver Colorado) and so has very cold and snowy winters and mild summers. The area is covered with pine trees and high temperatures on the South Rim rarely top 90 degrees during the summer.
Mather Camground is a nice drive-up style developed campground with designated spots that each have a place to pull in your vehicle, a picnic table and fire pit. There is a bathhouse with showers and toilets. It is a large campground and spots are fairly close together, so you won't exactly feel like you are out in the solitude of the wilderness, but it is a nice area (lots of trees) and generally does not feel too crowded given its size. The South Rim is pretty developed (there is a whole little community there called 'Grand Canyon Village') and there is a free shuttle that runs in a loop and connects all the lodges, the visitor center, the shopping plaza and the campground and RV parks, so getting around the village area without a car is pretty easy.
Wildlife-wise... even though Grand Canyon Village on the South Rim is pretty developed, it is not uncommon for deer and elk and sometimes coyotes to wander about amoungst the buildings, but none of those generally cause trouble unless people deliberately try to approach them. Squirrels and chipmunks and ravens are also quite common. You don't need to worry about bears or mountain lions around the campground area, but you should not leave food out unattended as ravens, squirrels and chipmunks might take an interest in it.
There is a small shopping plaza area near Yavapai lodge that is a short walk from Mather campround (or you can ride the free shuttle) and it has a small grocery store. The prices are perhaps slightly higher than a grocery store in a big city, but it is definitely cheaper than eating at any of the South Rim restuarants (remember the South Rim is off the major supply lines and businesses have to provide employees with housing). If you do feel like a cooked meal while you are there, the cafeterias at Maswik Lodge and Yavapai Lodge are the cheapest.
As far as things to do... once you are in the park there are lots of things to do and most are free. Of course, hiking the big thing and you should try to do at least a short hike while you are there since being 'in' the canyon is a much different and deeper experience than just looking from the rim. My favorite short-n-easy day hike, is going the 1.4 miles down the South Kaibab trail to Cedar Ridge rest stop which has stunning views and a good chance to see condors and perhaps big horn sheep. Bright Angel and Hermit trails are also good for day hikes. Remember to wear comfortable shoes and a broad-brim hat, carry plenty of water and remember it is twice as much effort coming back up as it is going down. You should be careful how far down you go for a day hike - especially in summer - because temperatures get much warmer as you deeper into the canyon and at the bottom temps can easily break 110 degrees in summer (don't ever try to go to the bottom and back in a day).
Other fun and cheap activities include taking the free shuttle out to Hermit Rest and back (you can get on and off at various stops and overlooks along the way), listening to the ranger talks (which are usually pretty good) that are held along the rim and at the Shrine of Ages (near Yavapai Lodge), vegging out along the rim (especially at sunrise and sunset when the canyon looks most dramatic) and checking out the many historic buildings like the famous 1905 grand El Tovar lodge, the 1905 Hopi House curio shop (made to look like an indian pueblo) and the Lookout Studio (which often has free art exhibits). There is also a nice little geology museum and overlook at Yavapai Point (which can be reached via either the rim trail or by the free shuttle).
Lastly, keep in mind that Memorial Day through Labor Day is peak tourist season at the canyon and it can get crowded. You can make reservations for Mather campground (see link below) and it is highly recommended that you do so long before you leave as the odds of just showing up and finding an open spot in June are small.
Have fun!
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