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I am new to camping, and I am shopping for a large family tent. I have chosen to get a tent which is about 25x15 ft, but the only way I can use it is to rent a group site at a particular national park to which I shall be going.
I have read stories of rangers saying the tent is "too large, and do not bring it again", and I do not want to run into this at other parks down the road. Currently, the tent I plan to buy is either the Oberon 13-man or the Utah 10-man (please search Amazon.com for details).
Worst case scenario, I could get smaller fall-back tents, which would probably be the Cougar Flats II 8-person tent. This tent happens to be small enough to fit on the tent pads at the national park in question, and I suspect that due to its popularity would be widely accepted at most parks, as well.
After considerable research, I feel that I shall be happy with any of these choices, but I would still prefer to get the larger tent without the hassle of park rangers chastising me for the size of the tent.
Long question short: what is generally regarded as "too large" for "most parks"? Individual park regulations vary, I'm sure, but I do not plan to call a half dozen or more parks asking for hypothetical answers when such a considerable investment is on the line. Instead I suppose I shall get hypothetical answers, here, ha ha...
At any rate; opinions?
Thanks!
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Your idea of the Cougar Flats II 8-person tent sounds like a better options given the constraints you've already figured out.. It's more consistent with the simplicity underlying camping. It also allows more camping options. I like the saying "Adequate is sufficient."
On the other hand, the larger tent would be appropriate if you want to park the car inside. You might also have room for a Starbucks.
Your idea of the Cougar Flats II 8-person tent sounds like a better options given the constraints you've already figured out.. It's more consistent with the simplicity underlying camping. It also allows more camping options. I like the saying "Adequate is sufficient."
On the other hand, the larger tent would be appropriate if you want to park the car inside. You might also have room for a Starbucks.
What should you bring in an SUV for some camping on cross country trip?
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I want to know what to throw in the generous space in my Toyota Highlander for me to camp, as much as I can stand, in both commercial and public (government owned) campgrounds. Readers answered my question about commercial campgrounds allowing an SUV with a tent to rent a full-service hookup spot. The answer was that they likely would and that non-commercial spots would be good too. I am still wondering how to do this because I am horrible at simplifying anything. My direction is to complicate everything. Now I am thinking any savings at the pay campgrounds with a full hookup will be offset by the cost of new equipment I would have to buy and in time and comfort. Since I might end up only camping out for 1-2 days at a time to save money and maybe even enjoy the outdoors, I am thinking it might be better to just plan on staying at a regular campsite that allows me to pull in with the SUV, set up a little tent and do without electric/water hookups and such at a full service spot. However, I've not camped at all since the Army in 1953, so don't know what to bring. My only other camping experience was in my own camper/truck RV that wrecked and nearly killed me and later a regular full size rental RV that was much more pleasant. Unfortunately, I don't have money for an RV. So to still get outside a motel, I am thinking the solution is more simple camping. Heck, I might need to just sleep in the back of the SUV on a good mattress,at the rate I'm going. I will be purposely homeless and living on that old fixed income (like almost broke) in June. Moving to try and find less expensive digs in Las Vegas.
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Car camp "bumming" is not a big deal -- I have done it many times in my life. Even just crashing in your car it's nice to spend a few bucks for the campsites with an electric hookup. Buy the newest Rand McNally campground guide to the USA and pick small "mom and pop" campgrounds rather than the KOA and other commercial operations. Most of the family run campgrounds, especially out west, are quite nice. I've been at some where they had really nice private shower houses and bring you fresh coffee cake in the morning. Most such places will have a picnic table at each site as well as the electric connection. Get a cheap electric tea kettle or small Mr Coffee to heat water and an electric frying pan to cook in. I've even traveled with a tiny "half-pint" microwave oven. Anything you need to cook can be handled with those, Keep them stashed in a plastic dishpan that you can then use to clean up with (most campgrounds have bathrooms and shower houses for hot water.) Bring a couple of plastic tablecloths to cover the picnic table (you can get clips that will keep the corners from blowing up in the garden departments of places like K-Mart and Target.) Bring one of those $10 folding chairs. A couple of large cheap beach towels are handy for showering -- get skimpy thin ones and they will dry faster, draped over the car hood in the morning. Bring a small cooler, preferably the "soft" collapsible ones. A set of plastic dishes, bowls, cups and silverware and a plastic spatula and serving spoon -- all of them cheap at the K-mart or even large drug store picnic goods displays. A small bottle of Dr, Bronners liquid soap (I like the almond type) that they sell at health food stores is great for washing yourself and the dishes as well as rinsing out socks and underwear. Keep a couple of hanks of parachute nylon cord for rigging clothelines or tying up the tent. A swiss army knife or multitool that includes scissors and a small saw is handy. Also matches, since some campsites will have small barbecue grills you can cook on. Bring a couple of plastic gallon jugs (or just buy bottled water gallons and save them) to fill at the campground sinks for water for drinking and cleaning.
Sleeping in a spacious tent is more comfortable than the back of the car. Check Craigslist for a used one (I got a terrific 8' x 8' x 6' tall tent for $100 on CL last summer) or check out Campmor.com for a nice full sized 3 or 4 person one around that price. It makes a big difference being able to stand up and move around. You can get an inflatable mattress for under $20 -- very comfortable to sleep on either in the back of the car or in the tent. Pick one with the electric inflater included or buy a decent hand pump. Inflating one by blowing into it will make your head spin. Buy an LED headlamp or two for lighting around camp and in the tent. Places like Harbor Freight Tools and Autozone have nice cheap ones. I also like having a hand crank radio -- LL Bean sells them. You just crank them to charge the batteries and its nice to have something to listen to in the tent or at the picnic table. Also a small cheap plastic table fan (again, something to find at discount stores or drug stores) and an extension cord to run into the tent on hot nights.
Keep all your stuff in large tote bags or plastic milkcrates so it is easy to locate and to load and unload out of the car. use an old pillowcase to collect dirty laundry -- some campsites will have coin op washers and dryers.
Personally, I love the "gypsy" life of driving to a new campground every night on wandering cross country trips. Some of my favorite memories are of the times I did this throughout the Western States. There is a great sense of freedom in having everything you need stashed in a car and being able to set up your "homesite" each day in half an hour or so. Anyway, I hope you find some of my tips useful --have fun and good luck in Vegas!
Car camp "bumming" is not a big deal -- I have done it many times in my life. Even just crashing in your car it's nice to spend a few bucks for the campsites with an electric hookup. Buy the newest Rand McNally campground guide to the USA and pick small "mom and pop" campgrounds rather than the KOA and other commercial operations. Most of the family run campgrounds, especially out west, are quite nice. I've been at some where they had really nice private shower houses and bring you fresh coffee cake in the morning. Most such places will have a picnic table at each site as well as the electric connection. Get a cheap electric tea kettle or small Mr Coffee to heat water and an electric frying pan to cook in. I've even traveled with a tiny "half-pint" microwave oven. Anything you need to cook can be handled with those, Keep them stashed in a plastic dishpan that you can then use to clean up with (most campgrounds have bathrooms and shower houses for hot water.) Bring a couple of plastic tablecloths to cover the picnic table (you can get clips that will keep the corners from blowing up in the garden departments of places like K-Mart and Target.) Bring one of those $10 folding chairs. A couple of large cheap beach towels are handy for showering -- get skimpy thin ones and they will dry faster, draped over the car hood in the morning. Bring a small cooler, preferably the "soft" collapsible ones. A set of plastic dishes, bowls, cups and silverware and a plastic spatula and serving spoon -- all of them cheap at the K-mart or even large drug store picnic goods displays. A small bottle of Dr, Bronners liquid soap (I like the almond type) that they sell at health food stores is great for washing yourself and the dishes as well as rinsing out socks and underwear. Keep a couple of hanks of parachute nylon cord for rigging clothelines or tying up the tent. A swiss army knife or multitool that includes scissors and a small saw is handy. Also matches, since some campsites will have small barbecue grills you can cook on. Bring a couple of plastic gallon jugs (or just buy bottled water gallons and save them) to fill at the campground sinks for water for drinking and cleaning.
Sleeping in a spacious tent is more comfortable than the back of the car. Check Craigslist for a used one (I got a terrific 8' x 8' x 6' tall tent for $100 on CL last summer) or check out Campmor.com for a nice full sized 3 or 4 person one around that price. It makes a big difference being able to stand up and move around. You can get an inflatable mattress for under $20 -- very comfortable to sleep on either in the back of the car or in the tent. Pick one with the electric inflater included or buy a decent hand pump. Inflating one by blowing into it will make your head spin. Buy an LED headlamp or two for lighting around camp and in the tent. Places like Harbor Freight Tools and Autozone have nice cheap ones. I also like having a hand crank radio -- LL Bean sells them. You just crank them to charge the batteries and its nice to have something to listen to in the tent or at the picnic table. Also a small cheap plastic table fan (again, something to find at discount stores or drug stores) and an extension cord to run into the tent on hot nights.
Keep all your stuff in large tote bags or plastic milkcrates so it is easy to locate and to load and unload out of the car. use an old pillowcase to collect dirty laundry -- some campsites will have coin op washers and dryers.
Personally, I love the "gypsy" life of driving to a new campground every night on wandering cross country trips. Some of my favorite memories are of the times I did this throughout the Western States. There is a great sense of freedom in having everything you need stashed in a car and being able to set up your "homesite" each day in half an hour or so. Anyway, I hope you find some of my tips useful --have fun and good luck in Vegas!
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